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LNER NPCS - clerestory BGs

There were two clerestory BGs :

- 45' GNR with double truss-posts.
- 46'6" ECJS with single truss-posts.

(The modelling topic refers to the D&S kit, see link below).

During the 1920s some of the ECJS vans were scrapped while others were cascaded into general service in the following Sections:

NB (2) 1926
GN (1) 1928
GE (4) 1928-29

Hence by summer 1929, none remained in the ECJS fleet - all the survivors were in less important duties where they lasted until:

1943 (GN)
1949 (GE)
1951 (NB)

The LNER-period pictures below show several changes to some of the fittings, essentially simplifications. They cannot be dated precisely but appear to have been cumulative during the 1920s.

GNR 45' BG

GN clere BG

This drawing for GN Diagram 290 is an extract from a copy of the Diagram Book held by the NRM in which I have tried to remove the (tungsten light) brown cast while leaving the annotations in red ink clear to see. Note the title of "Luggage brake van" - in LNER days such vehicles were termed more simply as "Brake van". Running numbers of the 19 built were:

GNR - 944/46/67/85/92/98, 1001/2/11/22/27/29/39/64/76/77, 1515/16, 2543
LNER - 471-489

The inked-on rating was to carry 7 tons. Note how the number of shelves was reduced and hinged ones fitted. This took place during the Great War in 1916-17.

Guard's duckets were provided on both sides although No.1077 (LNER 486) had one of them removed; no date is given but it would have been in LNER days. They were condemned gradually between 1936-1947.

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D22 at Castle Howard

Because of the similarity between the D&S kit's ECJS van and the GNR van I shall continue to add pictures of both types as I come across them and this one from around 1925-28 can be resolved in some detail. It shows a working on the NE Area and was taken on the York-Scarborough line with D22 No 1541 in one of the Leeds-York-Scarborough circuits for 5-sets which were still made up entirely with ex-NER stock (BT,CL,CL,T,BT). In summer when workings on this line could be intense, tablets were carried on all the trains and numbers in the low 300s indicated normal services.

Each set made two out and back trips each day, starting from Leeds or Scarborough, and the picture shows a turn for a Neville Hill loco working back with the 1.25pm from Scarborough just south of Castle Howard. Behind the loco, a through van from the GN Section has been attached that will come off at York and be sent on back to King's Cross and for which an ex-GNR 45ft clerestory BG had been deployed. Photo: H. Gordon Tidey, Real Photos.

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3293

C1 3293 is at the head of a secondary passenger train with one of these vans behind the tender. It is just possible to make out the double truss posts. Note the triple destination boards on the roof.

2206 Croft Spa

New addition.... . A stunning picture from the early 1930s of C7 No 2206 at Croft Spa - between Darlington and York - with a parcels/ECS/stock train - I've listed all that these trains used to carry because the simple name of "parcels train" can be a bit simplistic!

The head of the train has two clerestory BGs, both of them 45' ex-GNR. The leading four vehicles are clear enough to be identified:

BG

ex-GNR

45'

Horse box

GWR

- old type with no fodder compartment

BG

ex-GNR

45'

BV

ex-GNR

51'1 1/2"

... remainder unclear...

So many ex-GNR bogie vans in a train on the North Eastern Area heading towards the GN Section says rather a lot about non-use of the ex-NER 6w van for inter-Area/Section services! The GWR horse box was being returned empty, probably taken out at York and sent on via the GC Section to Banbury. Photo: Author's collection.

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2544 York

2544 Lemberg works hard to get a heavy express of around 13 coaches away from York under the Holgate Rd. bridge, date around the early 1930s. At the head is an ex-GNR clerestory BG. Not the most useful picture for details of the van but another example of how widely this type of vehicle was used alongside Gresley coaches and how pleasing the contrast can be.

ECJS 46'6" BG

The Diagram is shown in "The Illustrated History of the East Coast Joint Stock", Ken Hoole, OPC, 1993 and in a compilation of Diagrams titled "Plans of East Coast Joint Stock", David Williamson, North Eastern Railway Association,1999, revised and enlarged 2001 and 2004.

1430

In this view from 1924, two ex-GNR locos (C1 1430 and D165) are hauling a heavy East Coast express with such a van at the head. The single truss post can just be seen on the original print. This example has single destination board holders on the roof and the lower, suspended footboard between the bogies.

4470

A stirring view at Dringhouses in the late 1920s as A1 4470 Great Northern thunders past the signal box and ex-NER signals with an ECML express. Behind the tender is an ex-ECJS clerestory BG.

4470 detail

An enlargement of the BG shows the principal distinguishing feature compared with the GNR design: the single trust post on each side. Triple destination board holders are on the roof. The lower footstep has already been removed.

817 York

Another view from the 1920s shows ex-NER B15 No 817 in sparkling condition as it leaves York with an Up express whose formation includes several 12w clerestories. Behind the tender is an ECJS BG.

A closer view shows the lower guard's step well, and the single truss-post. Once again, the lower steps between the bogies has been removed. On the roof, the destination board holders on the roof have also been removed, which means that there were three different configurations of this feature. This is the simplest version of this ECJS BG and how it would have served through later LNER and BR days.

The headstocks

A clearly visible headstock in the enlarged pictures extends outside the solebars. There were cases where the solebars and headstocks were the same width, including carriages built for the ECJS. But this was not one of them, as the extract below shows, a detail view from the ECJS Diagram per Cowlairs who built the first three and which I have abstracted and tidied up from Ken Hoole's "The Illustrated History of East Coast Joint Stock". In that same book there is an occasional glimpse of this design feature on other carriages (see p.75 and 79, for example, where both styles are clear to see). Yet, looking closer at the enlargements of the train pictures, I'm prepared to be swayed that I'm seeing not so much ends that were fully radiused as having corners, possibly a variation by York which built the final 16? Answers please on a postcard!

ECJS end

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ECJS and GNR 55'6" BG: is here.

Modelling the ECJS BG is here.

GNR Howlden 45ft BV : is here.

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